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Quote of the day.

  • Sep. 30th, 2008 at 8:09 AM
Commie

"Look, there's nothing wrong with wanting 'stuff'. Unfortunately, the government made it very easy for us to borrow money and get 'stuff' instead of work hard and save our money so that we can buy things that we can actually afford. And that's what we have to get back to in this country, we have to have a real economy. We just can't keep borrowing money from the rest of the world."

— Peter Schiff, prophet.

Incidentally: that's Peter Schiff's deflation, in a specific asset class. Sure seems good for us consumers, don't it. Falling prices for homes nobody can get credit to buy and many people are trapped in - the hallmark of civilization.

[info]whip_lash, dolt.

Emphasis mine, because it shows that the lessons have not yet been learned. The pain has not yet been deep enough to cause a real change in attitudes, the change we need to get this country moving again. I'm with Kunstler on this one. Stop calling yourself a consumer. Consumers are the problem. You are a citizen. A worker. A producer. A saver. Of course the people who need credit aren't going to buy those houses at cut-rate deals. It's the ones who have savings. Capital. That's why it's called capitalism, not consumerism.

The sooner we reject the notion that prosperity is credit-based consumption, the better off we'll all be. I expect [info]whip_lash will cling to it forever, but everybody else on my friends list is smarter than that.

Comments

[info]kenshi wrote:
Sep. 30th, 2008 03:47 pm (UTC)
Actually, I've been a businessman long enough, and know enough about how it works, to know that a healthy credit & financial sector is essential to the operation of any economy. There's good debt and bad debt. Good debt is a force multiplier, and without it your economy can never vault out of the pissant category.
[info]ernunnos wrote:
Sep. 30th, 2008 04:12 pm (UTC)
That's implied in any discussion of saving. You don't earn interest on money that's stuffed under your mattress. Someone has to borrow it, produce something with it, multiply the value, and return some of that new value back to you.

There's nothing wrong with debt that is used to move capital from less productive uses (ie. the 1st Mattress Savings and Loan) to more productive uses.

There's plenty wrong with debt that is used to fuel consumption (literally, the destruction of value) or moves capital from more productive uses to less productive uses. (ie. Even Mattress S&L is a better investment than a '90s dot-com.)
[info]ikilled007 wrote:
Jan. 5th, 2009 05:07 pm (UTC)
But it's a NEW ECONOMY!

Print me some money, I need a Bugatti.
[info]peamasii wrote:
Sep. 30th, 2008 04:12 pm (UTC)
I've given up using credit over 5 years ago. I've built up a substantial amount of cash, retirement, savings and education accounts. I've maxed monthly cashflow and reduced unnecessary expenditures. Now, we can afford all the things and vacations we want and I can run my business the way I best see fit. It sure helps not having debt, not being burdened with a high mortgage, and having low running expenses, as well as benefitting from tax deducations on my business income.
[info]ernunnos wrote:
Sep. 30th, 2008 04:31 pm (UTC)
Rock on. Can you imagine a whole nation of people who adopted that as a goal? They might become a superpower or something.
[info]vyus wrote:
Sep. 30th, 2008 04:55 pm (UTC)
i hate agreeing with you ;)